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“I literally took out my notes app, and I wrote an amendment,” says 21-year-old climate activist and Director of the Federal Climate Amendment Institute, Lake Liao. Tune in to Climate Curious to hear how an AOC video he watched on a bus ride home changed everything, why court wins in Montana and Hawaii show what’s possible locally when Washington won’t move, and what’s next for the student-led grassroots movement working to make a liveable planet a constitutional right.
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Executive produced by Josie Colter
Produced by Ben Beheshty
Curated by Deesha Chandra
Hosted by Maryam Pasha and Ben Hurst
Communications by Tara Cooper
00:00 Welcome and introductions
00:44 Bus ride awakening
02:33 Why The Green New Deal
04:29 When policy unravels
07:14 Turning to the constitution
08:27 Montana and Hawaii wins
13:09 Founding FCAI and drafting
15:46 Building chapters and congress
19:09 Who joins the movement
22:19 Making it global and local
26:03 Where to learn more
27:18 Thanks and closing credits
[00:00:00] Welcome and introductions
[00:00:00] Josie Colter: Hey Lake, welcome to Climate Curious. We are super excited to welcome you on. So yeah, could you just say hello to our listeners and explain what you do and who you are?
[00:00:08] Lake Liao: Yeah. Hello to everyone. Really excited to be here. My name is Lake Liao a 21-year-old [00:00:15] climate organiser, originally from Michigan, and I’m the founder and executive director of the Federal Climate Amendment Institute, FCAI.
[00:00:23] Lake Liao: Which is a youth led movement organising to build the constitutional right to a live full climate through the [00:00:30] Federal Climate Amendment, which is a US constitutional amendment. Um, and this is sort of a project that I’ve landed on after about five or six years in the climate movement, and really excited to get into it today.
[00:00:44] Bus ride awakening
[00:00:44] Josie Colter: So I’d [00:00:45] love you to take us back to the moment that it all started for you. You’ve said that you were watching a YouTube video actually, and this is what pulled you into the movement. So could you take us back to that moment and what happened when you were watching that YouTube video?
[00:00:57] Lake Liao: Yeah, so I was on the bus home [00:01:00] in eighth grade, so I was like.
[00:01:01] Lake Liao: 13 probably. And I, you know, I was starting to get into the political media ecosystem a bit, ’cause this was a few years into the Trump presidency. Stuff was pretty crazy in the US and came [00:01:15] upon this video called A Message from the Future with a OC. And it was a OC who had, you know, just won her congressional election talking about.
[00:01:27] Lake Liao: Um, the Green New Deal and specifically [00:01:30] she was in the year 2030. It was after a decade of the Green New Deal, and she was kind of projecting a vision back onto, um, you know, 20 18, 20 19 when it was. And that was really [00:01:45] compelling to me because she had the ambition to just say, you know, this is what we want out of government.
[00:01:52] Lake Liao: And I heard about, you know. Universal healthcare about a federal jobs guarantee, about, [00:02:00] uh, employing, you know, today’s young people in good green union jobs. And that really forming the, you know, economic livelihood of our nation, creating a foundation for a better future in, in all senses, environmentally and economically [00:02:15] for young people.
[00:02:16] Lake Liao: And that was compelling. To me and that sort of whole society transformation vision rather than just, you know, a carbon tax to, to curb our emissions was, uh, it was a really beautiful vision and it’s something that I [00:02:30] wanted to learn more about right away.
[00:02:31] Josie Colter: A pretty eventful bus ride then. And.
[00:02:33] Why The Green New Deal
[00:02:33] Josie Colter: Why did it land different to any other climate messaging you were seeing at the time?
[00:02:38] Josie Colter: Or maybe it didn’t appeal to you because it wasn’t a climate message?
[00:02:42] Lake Liao: Yeah, it was different than, you know, what I [00:02:45] understood to be the sort of mainstream set of climate solutions because those, usually, they were technocratic in a way so. We had things like cap and trade. We had things like a carbon tax, [00:03:00] and we had researchers and academics and politicians pushing this idea that, okay, we have this problem, but we can solve it without solving these other problems in society.
[00:03:14] Lake Liao: You know, people were [00:03:15] not talking about racial inequality and access to healthcare and access to, um. You know, uh, a livable wage and all these things that were broken about our political system, along with the fact that we were allowing [00:03:30] the planet to get destroyed through the fossil fuel industry. And that issue alone is very abstract.
[00:03:37] Lake Liao: And to me it was very abstract because I was like, you know, I know climate change is happening, but. Where is it? Right? How do I, how do I understand [00:03:45] it? Whereas everyone understands, um, their material, economic and social conditions. Everyone understands racism and classism and all these other issues that we could untangle.
[00:03:56] Lake Liao: Um, and certainly I think it, the, the Green New Deal video resonated with [00:04:00] me precisely because. It was a message that intertwined, um, working class interests and social justice with the climate crisis and the vision of how we could solve all of these together. [00:04:15]
[00:04:15] Josie Colter: I love that. Also, I just love how embedded you are in everything.
[00:04:19] Josie Colter: Like at such a young age. It’s so impressive. I, a lot of those words, I’m like, I still don’t quite understand that. We’ll work through it. I’m sure as we keep talking I will get all these terms.
[00:04:29] When policy unravels
[00:04:29] Josie Colter: So let’s go forward in time. You spent some years organising through Sunrise and the Democratic party actually working with a OC, right?
[00:04:38] Josie Colter: And you were kind of working on the inside track. Then Trump wins in 2024 and the IRA starts unwinding. [00:04:45] What did that do to your theory of change?
[00:04:48] Lake Liao: So from about. 2020 to 2022. When we elected Biden, we elected the Democratic Senate and House Majority. So, you know, we had a Democratic trifecta that was a moment [00:05:00] of optimism and hope and opportunity for the climate movement because we had just lived through four years of Trump where you know, the executive was gonna be a problem for.
[00:05:09] Lake Liao: Any federal policy we want, we wanted to pass. And then we got the IRA through [00:05:15] $369 billion allocated to build renewable energy. All sorts of other programmes administered through, you know, different executive agencies through different legislative mechanisms. And then three years later, because of the new administration, when it was all gone, [00:05:30] the first thought I had was that.
[00:05:34] Lake Liao: This is not a one-time incident. This is systemic in how our government works. We are going to have these sorts of [00:05:45] fluctuations of policy regimes as we see with other issues, right? You know, with healthcare, Obamacare gets passed and then Republicans wanna repeal it and the Democrats, you know, try to try to save it.
[00:05:55] Lake Liao: We have this sort of cyclical nature of legislative politics in the us [00:06:00] but the difference with climate politics is that we don’t have. Time to, to kind of, you know, fluctuate between we’re gonna do something and then we’re not gonna do something and it’s too expensive, or we don’t believe this, we don’t have time.
[00:06:13] Lake Liao: The climate [00:06:15] crisis is going to, you know, accumulate and get, um, exponentially worse with time. And that’s what made me start to think about. What is a durable solution for climate? And then I started to look towards history. We, we don’t [00:06:30] accept, um, people who want to take away women’s right to vote. We don’t accept people who want to, um, take away the Civil Rights Act and reinstate segregation, right?
[00:06:40] Lake Liao: Because there are more moments in history were we moved past an issue being. [00:06:45] Debated in like a, you know, 51 49 vote way. And we moved towards constitutional and say, this is a value in our society. And it became apparent to me that the only way we could get there is if we had that long-term [00:07:00] horizon in our minds of, of young people’s rights being protected and society recognising this.
[00:07:06] Lake Liao: And that can only be done through. The Constitution and the judiciary rather than the White House in Congress, which are elected every, you know, two or four years.
[00:07:14] Turning to the constitution
[00:07:14] Josie Colter: [00:07:15] And I’d love, I’d love to know more about how you landed upon something that is a climate tool that before had never really been seen as a climate tool, which is the Constitution.
[00:07:26] Josie Colter: And I know you’ve done some incredible work. Um. [00:07:30] In many different states across the us but could you talk us through the examples in Montana and Hawaii and you know, why these cases convinced you that this was the way in, um, when perhaps doors were being shut in Congress and other routes and the White [00:07:45] House?
[00:07:45] Lake Liao: Absolutely. So in constitutional. And in lawsuits that are rights based, they’re rights based litigation. There’s a different question that is asked than in traditional statutory or legislative law. And that [00:08:00] question is, is a fundamental constitutional right being violated as opposed to regulation, which is, you know.
[00:08:06] Lake Liao: Is this, um, pollution limit or is this, you know, sort of level [00:08:15] of harm acceptable by the statute? So fundamentally, those are different questions. One is about parameters defined by the statute, like just a piece of legislation and one is about people. So that’s really key.
[00:08:27] Montana and Hawaii wins
[00:08:27] Lake Liao: And in 1972 in Montana, that’s, that’s the first example we have.
[00:08:32] Lake Liao: They were concerned over. Pollution from the coal industry. So they got together at a constitutional convention and they ratified this environmental, right, an environmental rights amendment that says people have the right to a clean and helpful [00:08:45] environment in the state of Montana. And in, you know, the 2020, so about 50 years later, our children’s Trust, you know, and, and youth plaintiffs went in and they saw a statute which prohibited climate impact [00:09:00] review in the state of Montana.
[00:09:01] Lake Liao: So you can’t consider greenhouse gases or climate impacts when you permit these energy projects. And they said that’s unconstitutional because that. For STRs and prohibits us from being able to seek a [00:09:15] remedy by considering climate impacts and governance. So they sued, they filed, held versus Montana, and in 2023 they won.
[00:09:24] Lake Liao: They used this environmental right to say that it is a violation of these young [00:09:30] people’s constitutional rights if you govern in a way that allows climate change to continue rather than. Governing in a forward thinking, environmentally friendly way, that was really key. Not because that statute was, you know, if we wanna talk [00:09:45] numbers, that statute wasn’t causing, you know, five or 10% of or, or 20% of our country’s emissions.
[00:09:51] Lake Liao: But it was the first recognition that this was a human rights violation. It doesn’t matter what the legislators in Montana think from a [00:10:00] conceptual perspective, they are now required to govern in a way that protects that. Human right. Same in Hawaii. So this was a settlement agreement in 2024. So the year after Montana, they said that you’re not implementing this transportation, [00:10:15] um, bill that you passed, or more broadly it was a decarbonization bill that required decarbonization in.
[00:10:20] Lake Liao: Different sectors. They said You’re not implementing it. And that’s a violation of the 1978 Environmental Rights Amendment basically analogous to the, [00:10:30] to the Montana Amendment. And the governor’s office came and they agreed. They said, you’re right. Let’s work together on fixing this. And they came up with a plan to decarbonize the transportation sector fully by 2045 and a [00:10:45] whole slew of legislative provisions to get there.
[00:10:47] Lake Liao: And critically the judiciary, so the judge that signed that settlement agreement has something called continuing jurisdiction, which means that the judge is supposed to oversee. The executive and [00:11:00] legislative branches, um, their implementation of this settlement agreement and the plaintiff, so our children’s Trust and earth Justice.
[00:11:08] Lake Liao: So the attorneys and the plaintiffs, they can go to that judge and say, we don’t think this is being implemented sufficiently. And [00:11:15] the judge has judicial jurisdiction over ensuring this transportation decarbonization plan happens. So to summarise what we learned from these cases in Montana. When there are laws that prohibit climate solutions, those can be deemed [00:11:30] unconstitutional.
[00:11:30] Lake Liao: In Hawaii when there are governance structures and bureaucratic inefficiencies that co, that prohibit decarbonization, these environmental rights can be used as a catalyst to work with the government and say, let’s come up with a plan. [00:11:45] To govern in a way that lowers carbon emissions, fixes the climate crisis, and protects young people’s fundamental rights.
[00:11:50] Lake Liao: And, and it’s interesting you ask, you know, what, how does that interact with what’s happening in Congress? The, you know, because of the way that our federal government and, and state government [00:12:00] is split, we can have a legal precedent, a you know, kind of a jurisprudential precedent at the state level, but it doesn’t exist.
[00:12:08] Lake Liao: At the federal level in what Congress and the White House is responsible for. So Congress, you might ask, why [00:12:15] are they not subject to the same legal limits or requirements as these two states? It’s because the federal constitution does not protect an environmental, right. And when it’s been attempted to be found under the Fifth Amendment right to life, liberty, and property, that has not succeeded [00:12:30] in federal court.
[00:12:31] Lake Liao: So whereas this, you know, at the state level, it’s. The case is that, you know, these rights are legally protected at the federal level. It’s still up to, um, discretionary policy making. It’s still just [00:12:45] whatever members of Congress want to do. And that’s the critical difference. And you know, now my work is trying to bridge that gap.
[00:12:53] Josie Colter: Incredible and sounds like you were trying to make it a lot more watertight, whereas at the minute there’s just many gaps and stuff can fall through [00:13:00] depending on people’s personal values or what they kind of believe in or what they wanna do or not be
[00:13:05] Lake Liao: balancing the budget, saying it’s too expensive to tackle climate change, all sorts of things.
[00:13:09] Founding FCAI and drafting
[00:13:09] Josie Colter: Let’s get to. The solution that you have founded. [00:13:15] So you founded the FC ai. Could you tell us a little bit about that? What it looks like in practise, what it is, what you do, who’s involved?
[00:13:23] Lake Liao: So we have one goal, which is amend the US Constitution, and I [00:13:30] started FC ai right. In January, 2025, last year when Trump took office because you know, we all knew what was coming ’cause he got elected a few months prior to that.
[00:13:39] Lake Liao: But it really felt real when he got into office and on the first day he [00:13:45] ordered the White House to, um, to pull away all federal offshore wind permits. So the progress we were making, building renewable energy, lowering emissions, um, in the years prior was just a critical piece of, it was [00:14:00] just. Undone. So I was like, we have to do something about this.
[00:14:03] Lake Liao: This is, this is not okay. And I was like. The only way that we could resist this is through the courts is through a human rights based [00:14:15] constitutional fundamental, right? So I literally took out my notes app and I wrote an amendment based on my understanding of previous amendments. Certainly not an expert.
[00:14:26] Lake Liao: I’m not a lawyer, you know, I don’t have the [00:14:30] expertise to rigorously write one, but I was like, I just looked at, I looked at the 19th amendment and I looked at. Um, the 14th Amendment and some other human rights amendments, and I basically wrote like. People have the right to a clean, to a healthy environment and a livable [00:14:45] climate system.
[00:14:46] Lake Liao: And then that was the foundation that I took to the lawyers that litigated the Hawaii and Montana cases. ’cause I used to work at our Children’s Trust, that law firm. And I said, how do we make this into a real [00:15:00] constitutional. Amendment. And then we went through, you know, a pretty long drafting process and then we came up with a proposal between, you know, me and the other young people that I was working with and the attorneys that had expertise on which, [00:15:15] you know, how you make these amendments work for the climate crisis on the organising side.
[00:15:20] Lake Liao: I started launching chapters around the country and we did a series of. Teachings, um, in California and Virginia and Maryland, and we [00:15:30] started to build out the base of high schoolers and college students who understood that a constitutional solution was the solution that matched the scale of this crisis in the political moment.
[00:15:40] Lake Liao: We were in. So that was phase one of our organising, kind of the first half year of the [00:15:45] Trump presidency.
[00:15:46] Building chapters and congress
[00:15:46] Lake Liao: And then last summer we, we did a campaign and sort of organising effort in dc I was in DC and we brought this to members of Congress. Um, and eventually we, you know, found a lead sponsor. Uh, we’ll be, you know, much more public on that.
[00:16:06] Lake Liao: Um. Next year when the amendment is actually out in Congress. And then we started to, we started to put out teasers of, [00:16:15] you know, if, if we introduced a constitutional amendment and we would ask staff, we would ask members of Congress, how would you feel about it? Would you be outspoken? Would you co-sponsor it?
[00:16:23] Lake Liao: Would you just select at the official marker of support? Would you be a co-lead? Um, and we started to get, we moved from [00:16:30] nose to maybes. To yeses. So now we are in the sort of, um, groundwork phase of building this idea up in formal federal politics. We have a handful of representatives who are [00:16:45] committed to being original co-sponsors, so, you know, declaring their support of the climate amendment when it comes out next July.
[00:16:52] Lake Liao: And. So that’s the kind of formal politics side. This is, um, you know, uh, a bill that is carried in Congress [00:17:00] and it will be introduced. And on the organising side, we are launching state level chapters. So right now we have chapters either. In existence or in progress in, in Nevada? In California. In Hawaii.
[00:17:14] Lake Liao: Um, [00:17:15] in Oregon. And these are, yeah, I know we talked about Oregon before. These are how our movement lives at the local level outside of DC in Congress. So in my view, this is the most exciting. Work, um, that’s happening right [00:17:30] now because there’s only about five states with this environmental rights amendment, and we’re changing that.
[00:17:34] Lake Liao: We are using various legislative and political mechanisms to try to get some of these Amen. Environmental rights amendments and climate amendments onto the ballot in the next five years or [00:17:45] so, and that would create the terrain for more litigation, uh, and lawsuits with better results.
[00:17:53] Josie Colter: And this is a group of, how many of you, how many students are involved?
[00:17:58] Josie Colter: Has it spread? How is the, [00:18:00] yeah, how is the movement spreading?
[00:18:01] Lake Liao: Yeah, so we have, uh, we’re a membership based organisation. We have about 250 members around the country, and it’s growing every day. And as I mentioned, the most exciting work to me is local, or, you [00:18:15] know, there’s a good phrase, all organising, all politics is local, right?
[00:18:18] Lake Liao: So we are growing at a pretty quick rate because we have real campaigns happening. Let’s say in Oregon. We have a group of, you know, law students in [00:18:30] Oregon as well as high schoolers and college students who are. Coordinating a back to school organising drive, doing teach-ins, doing, you know, days of action around the federal climate amendment, um, from their universities and, and law schools.
[00:18:44] Lake Liao: We [00:18:45] have a sort of, um, budding campaign in California trying to build off some of the previous efforts to introduce climate amendments in the state legislature. So I think my goal is to have a thousand active members [00:19:00] by the time that we introduce this amendment. In Congress, um, next July and I would be satisfied if that was the case.
[00:19:09] Who joins the movement
[00:19:09] Josie Colter: And tell me a bit about these people. Like are they, are they like you? Like what sorts of young [00:19:15] people and students and high schoolers join this sort of movement and what are they feeling that is making them want to do this sort of work and get involved?
[00:19:25] Lake Liao: Disillusionment, I think is the core. It disillusionment with how our political [00:19:30] system has.
[00:19:31] Lake Liao: Failed to implement a legal or legislative or, you know, governmental framework to protect their rights. And young people are angry. You know, literally, I’ll, I’ll just give an anecdote. [00:19:45] When we, um, when we made an announcement that we were starting to organise in California just a couple days ago, we had people just, you know, DMing us on, on Instagram being like, Hey, like.
[00:19:59] Lake Liao: How can I get [00:20:00] involved? And of course then we, you know, bring them into our process and plug them into existing campaigns and working groups and all of that. These are, you know, these are high schoolers and college students and law students and other young people that come from various corners. [00:20:15] Of the flag movement, right?
[00:20:16] Lake Liao: So some of them are plaintiffs who have been involved in OCT cases and they’ve seen how litigation has. Um, the results have been a bit bifurcated based on whether we can explicitly protect [00:20:30] a right in a state constitution. Some of them are people who used to be involved in the Sunrise movement or other organisations like that who grew up.
[00:20:40] Lake Liao: Um, in the same kind of movement spaces that I did, [00:20:45] and they’re observing what has happened legally and, and legislatively. And they’re like, you know, this is the logical end point of this movement, which is to demand a fundamental right. And I think we also have, we also have first time. [00:21:00] Organisers. You know, movement ecosystems are complex.
[00:21:02] Lake Liao: They span across issues. I had a friend who I know from Feminist in Equal Rights Amendment organising yesterday, text me about, um, her little brother who, who’s a high schooler, who is like really [00:21:15] concerned about climate change, has never done any political organising and wants to join FCAI, and I was like.
[00:21:22] Lake Liao: Awesome. Let’s do it. Like, let’s, you know, let’s set up a call, let’s talk about it. And, and, and I think that’s really beautiful because this is not [00:21:30] just, you know, we don’t just want veteran, you know, youth climate organisers who really know what’s going on. We’re only gonna expand this movement if we can meet people where, where they at, where they’re at.
[00:21:39] Lake Liao: And if that place is. I’m a high schooler and I’m really concerned about climate change. ’cause I [00:21:45] saw the smoke on the 4th of July and it was a hundred degrees. That’s their entry point. Um, and that’s the base of people that, that we have to organise, the people who are concerned about the things that we can all see around us.
[00:21:57] Josie Colter: Yeah, and it also sounds like there’s a nice blend of people [00:22:00] that are also just interested in protecting democracy. Like it feels like it’s not just. People that are worried about nature, although I think it’s all interconnected. I don’t think it’s a complete binary, but it’s really great as well that they’re seeing this as [00:22:15] a kind of democratic tool as well to strengthen those rights.
[00:22:19] Making it global and local
[00:22:19] Josie Colter: Um, okay, let’s go global. For a student listening to this in the UK in, you know, Kenya, how could they get involved or get started with [00:22:30] making climate a constitutional right in their country or where they live?
[00:22:35] Lake Liao: So that is something that I’ve been thinking about as well. And what’s interesting about, you know, when we’re having this conversation.
[00:22:43] Lake Liao: In Australia [00:22:45] in the A CT and the Australian Cap capital territory, they just passed something called a duty of care, which is basically their version of a constitutional amendment, which forces that state [00:23:00] government to waive fossil fuel, new fossil fuel projects that will emit above a certain amount of carbon emissions with the interests of young people in future generations.
[00:23:09] Lake Liao: And. I mentioned this because I think it’s a really sort of, in my view, a creative or [00:23:15] a different way to constitutional a right to a stable climate system that adapts to the conditions they have. So like this state government or this regional government in Australia. Doesn’t have a state constitution the way that ours do, but they still [00:23:30] pursued this strategy.
[00:23:31] Lake Liao: And I think that’s, that’s the model, which is that young people and climate organisers all around the world, if we want to create a more stable policy regime, they have to look at. The political, legislative, and constitutional mechanisms that exist in their [00:23:45] local context, both at the, you know, local, state and federal level, whatever that looks like in different countries, and figure out what is the most viable path to get there.
[00:23:55] Lake Liao: And this could be, you know, a national referendum. We don’t have national [00:24:00] referendums in the us. This is a barrier, right? We have to go through Congress to get this constitutional amendment. But there are countries where, you know, you see this on the news, they literally vote on. Amending the Constitution, right?
[00:24:13] Lake Liao: So that’s one [00:24:15] avenue. If you can just make it direct democracy, if you’re in one of those countries, I think that’s a really exciting path. And then in other places you might have to get more creative. You might have to work with the legislature and look at the history of how people [00:24:30] have amended the Constitution.
[00:24:32] Lake Liao: I know that in pleats, um, you know. Columbia, or it might have been Chile. I know. You know, we were doing some research in, in our kind of internal think tank [00:24:45] on how a student movement in the past few decades has led to a, you know, an overall overhaul of the Constitution, which led to adding an environmental constitutional.
[00:24:58] Lake Liao: Right. So, you know, there’s, [00:25:00] there’s all these different examples of how you can think about the relationship between social movements and fundamental rights and what the legal system recognises. And I think it really is, you know, all politics is local. Um, have to look at what [00:25:15] is around you, what constituencies are there, who really cares about climate change in your country.
[00:25:20] Lake Liao: And, um, whether, whether it’s a formal or informal organisation, you know, some of the strongest organisations and movements have just been like. Folks talking to their neighbours at church or [00:25:30] whatever. Um, I think that’s,
[00:25:31] Josie Colter: yeah, just like starting local. Yeah.
[00:25:33] Lake Liao: Exactly.
[00:25:34] Josie Colter: Just looking around you
[00:25:34] Lake Liao: talk to people, uh, have a meeting, get, get them to
[00:25:38] Josie Colter: get to know your neighbours.
[00:25:39] Lake Liao: Yeah, exactly. Get to know your neighbours. So yeah. But there’s a lot of exciting opportunity as, as climate change gets more [00:25:45] visible to, to people around the world, I think to activate in different ways.
[00:25:48] Josie Colter: Absolutely. And it always comes back to a WhatsApp group. I’m sorry, it does. Just getting those WhatsApp groups
[00:25:54] Lake Liao: Exactly.
[00:25:54] Lake Liao: Get added. I need so many WhatsApp groups.
[00:25:58] Josie Colter: It was like, mute, mute, mute. But I [00:26:00] need to know. But mute. Um. Okay, great.
[00:26:03] Where to learn more
[00:26:03] Josie Colter: Well, tell us where people can find out more about your organisation. Yeah. Where can people find out more?
[00:26:09] Lake Liao: Yeah, so of course you can always go to our website, federal climate amendment institute.org, um, to [00:26:15] learn about our recent work.
[00:26:17] Lake Liao: Um, if you want to become an official member, we have our forum on there. If you want to read, uh, we about our research, we have something called the Climate Constitutionalism Lab, which is sort of an internal [00:26:30] think tank where we publish legal scholarship and explainers and white papers for scholars and members of Congress and state legislators to understand the legal theory behind the federal climate amendment that, you know, we’re organising for in Congress.
[00:26:42] Lake Liao: And also, um, follow us on [00:26:45] socials, uh, climate Amendment Institute on Instagram. We post about a lot of our state level organising as well as our federal organising online. Um, and yeah, re reach out to us. We have, you know, we have contact info on, on our [00:27:00] socials or websites if you’re interested in getting involved.
[00:27:04] Lake Liao: Um, it really takes a village to organise success, a successful political movement, and we totally welcome involvement and the sort of creative contributions that, you know, [00:27:15] anyone listening in might want to. Provide.
[00:27:18] Josie Colter: Fantastic.
[00:27:18] Thanks and closing credits
[00:27:18] Josie Colter: Well, thank you so much for joining us Lake. I have learned so much and I’m sure all of our listeners have as well.
[00:27:23] Josie Colter: So thank you so much.
[00:27:24] Lake Liao: Awesome. Thank you so much.
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