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Africa is solar rich. But what happens when the panels stop working? Vincent Egoro – a former architecture student who once studied by candlelight and now founder of Energy Transition Africa – is betting on training over throwaway tech. His mission: teach local workers to maintain and fix solar panels, so clean energy doesn’t quietly break down two years after installation: unnoticed and unfixed. As he tells Climate Curious co-host Maryam Pasha, electrifying is only half the job – the other half is making sure it sticks. A champion of skills as infrastructure to power Africa’s clean energy future, Vincent won the TEDx Global Idea Search in Nigeria. Recorded at TED2026, in conversation with Climate Curious co-host Maryam Pasha.
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Created by TEDxLondon
Executive produced by Josie Colter
Produced by Ben Beheshty
Curated by Deesha Chandra
Hosted by Maryam Pasha and Ben Hurst
Communications by Tara Cooper and Issey Gladston
00:00 Post TED Relief
00:23 Meet Vincent Agora
01:13 Repair Transition Explained
02:52 Why Solar Fails Fast
04:09 Aha Moment in Nigeria
07:13 Reskilling for Renewables
09:24 Sustainable Deployment Package
11:41 Building Energy Transition Africa
13:36 Designing With Communities
16:33 Contact and Closing Credits
Post TED Relief
[00:00:00] Maryam Pasha: Vincent.
[00:00:01] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:00:01] Maryam Pasha: You’ve just gotten off the TED stage.
[00:00:04] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:00:05] Maryam Pasha: How are you feeling?
[00:00:07] Vincent Egoro: I feel good. I feel relieved. I mean, like, um, before the stage, it looks like I was carrying this heavy wet, like I was carrying a [00:00:15] heavy backpack, so just. After having spoken and giving my talk, there’s a lot of relief and yeah, I’m happy.
[00:00:23] Maryam Pasha: Amazing.
Meet Vincent Agora
[00:00:23] Maryam Pasha: I’m so for context
[00:00:24] Vincent Egoro: yeah.
[00:00:25] Maryam Pasha: You were the TED idea search winner from Nigeria.
[00:00:28] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:00:29] Maryam Pasha: Um, which, [00:00:30] you know, we also wanted, like TEDx London was also one of the TED idea search cities. Yeah. So I know how much work Yeah. Had gone into this, like the preparation for that talk told. Now the preparation for this talk told me it’s huge, so I can absolutely imagine that.
[00:00:42] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:00:42] Maryam Pasha: So you. Let me just tell people a little [00:00:45] bit about you. You’re the founder of Energy Transition Africa.
[00:00:47] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:00:48] Maryam Pasha: Um, you focus on human potential. You are the head of the Resource Justice Network in Africa.
[00:00:54] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:00:55] Maryam Pasha: Um, and you gave an incredible talk about energy. Yeah. [00:01:00] Electricity. Yeah. The, the transition.
[00:01:02] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:01:03] Maryam Pasha: Um. I, I, I mean you can’t see this people, but I like my page is covered in notes. ’cause it was so interesting you had this line
[00:01:12] Vincent Egoro: mm-hmm.
Repair Transition Explained
[00:01:13] Maryam Pasha: Where you said, we [00:01:15] don’t need just an energy transition. We need a repair transition.
[00:01:19] Vincent Egoro: Absolutely.
[00:01:20] Maryam Pasha: Okay. What do you mean by that? Tell us more.
[00:01:22] Vincent Egoro: Yeah. You, you know, um, Africa has 600 million people without electricity.
[00:01:27] Vincent Egoro: Okay. And, um. Lots of organization, [00:01:30] incredible work is going on in deploying capital.
[00:01:32] Maryam Pasha: Yeah.
[00:01:32] Vincent Egoro: To um, ensure that um, these 600 million people now have electricity. Yeah. And there are, like the World Bank and Africa Development Bank are trying to electrify 300 million [00:01:45] Africans. Um, and they’re pulling capital about 50 billion US dollars for that.
[00:01:49] Vincent Egoro: But. The big problem that even the World Bank itself acknowledges Yeah. Is that they have a deficit of the human infrastructure needed people to repair, [00:02:00] people to maintain. So, and that’s something I’ve discovered also. Okay. That. It’s not enough to install because most of these, um, infrastructure are designed outside of the continent, right?
[00:02:12] Vincent Egoro: So if you design something in Europe, you’re not used [00:02:15] to dust and electric. Uh, and, and sunlight. Yeah, that is high. So our solar equipment are blowing up faster than. What’s happening in the, in, in Europe and in the US and other places. So what I’m [00:02:30] saying by that statement is that we need to think about who’s going to maintain this infrastructure, right?
[00:02:36] Vincent Egoro: Otherwise the people you’ve electrified are gonna go back into darkness.
[00:02:40] Maryam Pasha: Okay, let, I wanna break each of these things down. Mm-hmm.
[00:02:42] Vincent Egoro: Mm-hmm.
[00:02:43] Maryam Pasha: Because. What really, when you were [00:02:45] speaking
[00:02:45] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:02:45] Maryam Pasha: This is not something I had thought about.
[00:02:47] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:02:47] Maryam Pasha: This is not something I heard about. Yeah. I’m so grateful for you talking about it.
[00:02:50] Maryam Pasha: Mm-hmm. But I wanna break it down.
[00:02:51] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
Why Solar Fails Fast
[00:02:52] Maryam Pasha: So the first thing you’re saying is that the equipment that is made Yeah. In other parts of the world Yeah. When it comes to Africa.
[00:02:57] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:02:57] Maryam Pasha: Because of the physical conditions.
[00:02:59] Vincent Egoro: Yes.
[00:02:59] Maryam Pasha: So like [00:03:00] the, the angle of the sun or,
[00:03:01] Vincent Egoro: yeah. So, so, you know, Africa has 60% of solar.
[00:03:05] Vincent Egoro: Resources that the world needs globally. We have got 60% of the best sunlight. We’ve got more months of sunlight,
[00:03:12] Maryam Pasha: okay.
[00:03:12] Vincent Egoro: Than rain and sunlight. I mean, there are [00:03:15] countries where you don’t even need to, to, to boil a potato, you know? Yeah. You can put it under the sun and, and you, and you walk in. And then I
[00:03:23] Maryam Pasha: come from one of the opposite countries.
[00:03:25] Vincent Egoro: Yeah, you right. So now for, for us now. When you design these inverters [00:03:30] and batteries,
[00:03:30] Maryam Pasha: yes,
[00:03:31] Vincent Egoro: they’re supposed to to be at a certain, um, percentage in terms of the amount of heat that they can withstand. So we’re seeing that they’re going back quicker. We’ve got a lot of places where the roads are not hard, so lots of dust That also [00:03:45] impacts the health of this facilities.
[00:03:47] Maryam Pasha: Okay.
[00:03:47] Vincent Egoro: Okay. But then. When you deploy them and you electrify and there’s a light bulb on, and you go as a contractor or as a donor, you’ve said you’ve taken pictures and done photo ops, and you’ve left [00:04:00] one year letter. That thing that you’ve given us. It’s gonna go bad. And then there’s nobody around who can maintain them.
[00:04:08] Vincent Egoro: Yes, yes. Yeah. That’s the biggest problem.
Aha Moment in Nigeria
[00:04:09] Maryam Pasha: When did you realize this problem? Like how did you see this? Like, what was your aha moment?
[00:04:14] Vincent Egoro: Okay. [00:04:15] Um, so I, I work for Resource Justice Network, like it’s a global coalition in 50 countries, and Africa has the highest number of those coalitions. Were in 30 countries in Africa, and, and I had the work in Africa, so I happened to travel a lot.
[00:04:28] Vincent Egoro: Um, across the continent. [00:04:30] And also because most of our members are community-based organizations. Yes. So I get to interact with them on the ground, and I, I began to see these challenges. And I also having been someone who will face energy poverty Yes. From [00:04:45] school. I mean, I, I went to school, like I told you in my story, went school and, um, was using candles.
[00:04:50] Ben Hurst: Yes.
[00:04:51] Vincent Egoro: I did architecture. So imagine using a candle candles, right? It’s not something, I mean No, it’s fun. Like at night. You are, you are drawing with candles. You are racing against the [00:05:00] flame of a candle to be able to meet up with your deadlines of the drawings. Wow. Now I overcame that. And I also live in a city where, um, we, we lived in this year alone, the whole national grid has collapsed [00:05:15] four times.
[00:05:16] Vincent Egoro: Wow. Four times. The whole country went dark for 24 hours.
[00:05:19] Ben Hurst: Wow.
[00:05:20] Vincent Egoro: That’s serious. That’s serious. So what we do now is. You either use gener, generators that are going to be powered by, by diesel and petrol. That’s a [00:05:30] huge economy on its own, or those of us who can afford it are using solars in my own house.
[00:05:36] Vincent Egoro: Right? I’ve, I’ve got inverter and, and got, um, batteries. I also noticed something that my inverter at the peak of sunlight is not [00:05:45] lasting. Why? Why should I I, I mean it’s solar, so sunlight. The seasons where we have more sun. Is when my inverters are breaking down more.
[00:05:55] Maryam Pasha: Yeah.
[00:05:55] Vincent Egoro: Because this, this heat is too much.
[00:05:58] Maryam Pasha: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:05:58] Vincent Egoro: And then at the period [00:06:00] where, um, we don’t have more sun, where we’re not even able to generate a lot of power is when the, the power I have is lasting more. So it’s in reverse. Right, right, right. So that became a problem and I, and I started paying attention to start finding out [00:06:15] what’s going on.
[00:06:16] Vincent Egoro: And our partner, an organization in Nigeria was tracking, um, the effectiveness of government intervention because governments like the World Bank are also saying, okay, we want more people to have electricity. Yes. And we began [00:06:30] tracking, we went to four states. I don’t know how, how it is in the uk, like in Canada, they call them provinces.
[00:06:36] Vincent Egoro: Yeah. So we went to like four provinces. Right. And this is government delivering solar equipment. Both, both [00:06:45] electricity and also, um, water project, like irrigation equipment that are powered by solar. The, the communities wanted, they appreciate it. But two years after that project was, were, were given to them and handed to them [00:07:00] like, um, four in.
[00:07:03] Maryam Pasha: That’s quite a lot.
[00:07:03] Vincent Egoro: Yeah. And that, and the total money when we converted it from our local currency was 6 million US dollars. That’s a lot of money going to waste.
[00:07:11] Maryam Pasha: Yeah.
[00:07:11] Vincent Egoro: Yeah. So
Reskilling for Renewables
[00:07:13] Maryam Pasha: it, one of the [00:07:15] things I loved about your talk was that the solution is not complicated. Right?
[00:07:20] Vincent Egoro: Yeah. Very simple.
[00:07:21] Maryam Pasha: It’s very Tell us about what was, like, what was your vision for this?
[00:07:24] Vincent Egoro: Yeah, so, so, um, one of the things that I also discovered was. Africa, and this is [00:07:30] documented, right? Africa is run 90% by informal economy. Yes. Right. So we have, we’ve got more people who are doing all this stuff and if we want to, to, to, um, work with them, we need to be able to build the capacities of [00:07:45] these electricians and mechanics and and so on.
[00:07:47] Vincent Egoro: We’re already keeping generators and fixing electricity, just re-skilling them. To be ready for the deployment of solar. That’s what I meant by that.
[00:07:57] Ben Hurst: Yeah.
[00:07:57] Vincent Egoro: And what am I doing about it? Energy transition. [00:08:00] Africa was built to provide that knowledge and human infrastructure gap that I’ve seen.
[00:08:05] Maryam Pasha: Yeah.
[00:08:05] Vincent Egoro: And, and, and we also identified the gap with the professionals.
[00:08:10] Vincent Egoro: And this is not just about an issue of skilling up [00:08:15] illiterate, right. Or people who are not educated, but it’s about. Graduates. Yes. Engineering graduates, yes. Are being trained for the fossil fuel industry, and yet we want to shift from fossil fuel energy to, um, renewable energy. Yeah. [00:08:30] So I did a survey months back across six universities with engineering graduate final year students, um, 30, um, 300 level, 400 level students who are doing electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, water engineering, petroleum engineering.
[00:08:44] Vincent Egoro: Yeah. [00:08:45] And 60% of them. Did say in their own surveys that they’ve not been thought, they’ve not been thought about, um, renewable energy and all they knew about renewable energy was from TikTok and social media. Right, right, right. So that’s [00:09:00] a gap. I’m also trying to cover,
[00:09:01] Maryam Pasha: um, what’s interesting to me is that.
[00:09:06] Maryam Pasha: When I listen to you
[00:09:07] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:09:08] Maryam Pasha: What I realize is there’s kinda like a short termism in the, the thinking of the interventions. Yeah. Like all we’re thinking of is like [00:09:15] we need to get it there and get it on the ground.
[00:09:16] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:09:17] Maryam Pasha: But then actually if you don’t do the maintenance of
[00:09:20] Vincent Egoro: it, no. No. You’ve not solved the problem.
[00:09:21] Maryam Pasha: You’ve not solved the problem.
[00:09:22] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
Sustainable Deployment Package
[00:09:24] Maryam Pasha: What do you, if you could like wave a, a [00:09:30] magic wand.
[00:09:30] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:09:31] Maryam Pasha: What are the key interventions that need to happen? For this to not actually be, be a problem. Like obviously you talked about the retraining, but I’m just thinking like, is it that you, are, you want like when, when these [00:09:45] projects are being deployed mm-hmm.
[00:09:46] Maryam Pasha: That part of that deployment is skills. Yeah. Is, is this kind of thinking about the, when they
[00:09:52] Vincent Egoro: break, think about it from the very beginning. So when I say retraining, because. It’s already happening and people are not sure. Sure. People are
[00:09:58] Maryam Pasha: being trained
[00:09:58] Vincent Egoro: so well. The solution [00:10:00] is you bring a comprehensive package in.
[00:10:02] Maryam Pasha: Okay.
[00:10:02] Vincent Egoro: Don’t just come sell products.
[00:10:05] Maryam Pasha: Okay.
[00:10:05] Vincent Egoro: And drop them.
[00:10:06] Maryam Pasha: Yeah.
[00:10:07] Vincent Egoro: And go. Yeah. And say, and take pictures and say, we’ve electrified 1000 people. Yeah. The 1000 [00:10:15] people, those, those equipment are going to go bad.
[00:10:17] Maryam Pasha: It’s for how long,
[00:10:18] Vincent Egoro: right? Yeah, yeah. So what you wanna do is, as you’re dropping them in the community, think about the sustainability of them and say, as we are doing this, let everyone in this community able to fix.
[00:10:29] Vincent Egoro: Let them know [00:10:30] what the faults are, let them know how to diagnose the faults and let them know. What to do when this kind of signs go back. It’s like, it’s like, um, having, having signs in, in a building to say there’s an emergency move this way. Call 9 1 1. Do this. Why are you not [00:10:45] doing it for solar, for the people you’re giving?
[00:10:47] Maryam Pasha: I, what I hear from you is that we need to be thinking about actually about sustainability.
[00:10:52] Vincent Egoro: Absolutely. It’s about it
[00:10:54] Maryam Pasha: because like, it feels like right now, it’s just the same way of thinking in the extractive model, [00:11:00] which is just like, sell stuff, put stuff there, do that stuff. Yeah. And then forget about it.
[00:11:03] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:11:04] Maryam Pasha: And actually, and you are truly thinking about sustainable. You’re not just thinking about the panels, but you’re thinking about their lifespan
[00:11:10] Vincent Egoro: mm-hmm.
[00:11:10] Maryam Pasha: As well. And that’s kind of amazing.
[00:11:12] Vincent Egoro: Yeah. Yeah. So, so what it, what it does, it’s, [00:11:15] it’s. Even you are solving, you’re solving the energy problem. You’re solving a skills problem.
[00:11:20] Vincent Egoro: Yes. And you’re solving poverty problem.
[00:11:23] Ben Hurst: Yeah.
[00:11:23] Vincent Egoro: Because when you give, when you teach them how to do it, most of these people would also be earning. [00:11:30] By going to repair for other people.
[00:11:31] Ben Hurst: Yes.
[00:11:32] Vincent Egoro: And that way they’re building income and then they, they’re, they’re becoming more productive is a Hong to the government and not causing other issues.
[00:11:39] Vincent Egoro: So it’s, it’s what we need to think about.
Building Energy Transition Africa
[00:11:41] Maryam Pasha: Have you started to implement any of this?
[00:11:43] Vincent Egoro: Yeah, so what I’ve started with energy [00:11:45] transition Africa is. To build a platform, to build a platform first, to prepare it, to be able to receive a cohort for, um, professionals like the university graduates were there because they are, they are like a smaller number, right?
[00:11:59] Vincent Egoro: Mm-hmm. [00:12:00] This other one. About the informal economy and repair requires resources, which I don’t have. I’m at the founding stage. Yes. Um, the platform is at the founding stage of this work. So we are at a stage where we’re looking for someone who believes in what we’re [00:12:15] doing and say, we want to come in as advisory, or we wanna support you to build.
[00:12:19] Vincent Egoro: With institutional funding to drive this stage of work that we’re doing.
[00:12:23] Maryam Pasha: And, and do you see this as being a place where you can see true, like private public partnership?
[00:12:28] Vincent Egoro: Absolutely. I mean, [00:12:30] because, because a lot of the, the, the large scale deployment that is gonna be done is not something that the private individual is going to roll out.
[00:12:39] Vincent Egoro: The World Bank is an institution. Africa Development Bank is an institution and they are [00:12:45] mobilizing this heavy capital. Yeah. Working with governments in each of these countries. Yeah. The ministries of energy, um, rural electrification ministries of power in various, uh, um, organizations, but the program they’re doing, they’re still doing it wrong because [00:13:00] they’re in a hurry to meet up with 2030 deadline.
[00:13:03] Vincent Egoro: Right. They just want to electrify. Yeah. But I see that. We need to pause. It’s important to electrify people, but it’s also important to ensure that. You are [00:13:15] solving a problem and not making them, um, living them in two, three years to go back to where they were before. Because you will not go back to check whether the sea have the electricity.
[00:13:26] Maryam Pasha: And I wonder if psychologically if people make, like, get the [00:13:30] solar, it breaks, they go back to diesel.
[00:13:32] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:13:32] Maryam Pasha: They’re less likely to go back to solar. Don’t
[00:13:34] Vincent Egoro: in the future, don. They don’t trust it. Don’t in, in, interesting.
Designing With Communities
[00:13:36] Vincent Egoro: I was, I was speaking with someone, um, we’re talking about irrigation. I mean like Africa.
[00:13:42] Vincent Egoro: Africa has. Again, the, the highest [00:13:45] population of farmers, and most of these farmers are small scale farmers. And so when you give them, so the problem that we have on the ground in terms of food security is that, that, um, you, you, you, you, we, we farm seasonally.
[00:13:58] Ben Hurst: Yeah.
[00:13:58] Vincent Egoro: So we can only farm maybe three [00:14:00] months in a year for the rainy, rainy season.
[00:14:02] Vincent Egoro: What you call maybe spring, I don’t know, like how it work. So during the rainy season, you farm. And then you have to wait, um, another nine months of no farming.
[00:14:10] Ben Hurst: Oh, wow.
[00:14:11] Vincent Egoro: So to solve that, that problem, you said, okay, we’re gonna give [00:14:15] you irrigation pumps so that you can pump water maybe from wells or from streams or rivers and use it to water your gardens so that way you are farming all year round, but then you give them solar pumps and the solar [00:14:30] pumps.
[00:14:30] Vincent Egoro: When they were designed, they were designed and tested in clean water. You know that the water in Europe, the farms are clean, but then these guys are farming in conditions where the The water is muddy.
[00:14:41] Maryam Pasha: Yes.
[00:14:42] Vincent Egoro: So when one sun enters into the palm, they [00:14:45] blow up.
[00:14:45] Maryam Pasha: Yeah.
[00:14:45] Vincent Egoro: Or maybe a cable is exposed. It blows up.
[00:14:48] Vincent Egoro: Yeah. And they pack it and they go back to poverty.
[00:14:50] Maryam Pasha: Yeah.
[00:14:50] Vincent Egoro: And nobody goes back to check that pump. Is it still working? And we found that it’s not working and they’re abandoning it.
[00:14:58] Maryam Pasha: I mean, what you’re saying, the [00:15:00] other thing it highlights to me very clearly Yeah. Is this is what happens when you build things without the, the real collaboration of
[00:15:08] Vincent Egoro: the people.
[00:15:08] Vincent Egoro: Of the people. Yeah. And thinking about what that, that, that, and again, that’s correct. And also [00:15:15] that when you are doing it, think about. Sustainability and think about total empowerment of the person because what we are seeing is extraction in different forms. You take our resources. Yes, you go out, you are just deploying and [00:15:30] think you’ve solved the problem.
[00:15:31] Vincent Egoro: It’s, but then the person is not empowered to do it and you think, oh, I can’t spend, it’s gonna take me. Weeks or months to train them. How does that profit me as an individual? But you got to also think about giving back.
[00:15:43] Ben Hurst: Yeah.
[00:15:43] Vincent Egoro: A lot of this resources, you know, [00:15:45] funny thing is, even though it’s not related to the talk, is all the, the resources for, for solar have been taken off the continent.
[00:15:54] Vincent Egoro: Africa has 30% of the critical minerals required in one country. [00:16:00] DRC holds 90% of all the cobalt Yes. Required globally. They hold it. Yeah. One single country. Yeah. Everybody’s taken out and nobody’s adding value yet.
[00:16:09] Maryam Pasha: It still remains one of the poorest
[00:16:11] Vincent Egoro: countries in world. Oh man. That’s where the war are.
[00:16:13] Vincent Egoro: Highest conflict rates. Yeah. [00:16:15] Some of the highest poverty people are mining for a hundred dollars in a month. How does someone survive? Yeah. One of the
[00:16:20] most
[00:16:21] Maryam Pasha: valuable things.
[00:16:21] Vincent Egoro: Yeah. You know, one of the most valuable things in the world is, is, is also causing some of the highest poverty rates in the world because nobody wants to [00:16:30] invest in building the capacity of people on the ground or even empowering them.
Contact and Closing Credits
[00:16:33] Maryam Pasha: Vincent, I’m so grateful to you for highlighting this. Thank you. I think this is one of those things that is like a blind spot.
[00:16:39] Vincent Egoro: Yeah.
[00:16:40] Maryam Pasha: Um, I really hope that when your talk comes out, people hear it, they [00:16:45] see it, and they think about how they can actually, with a very simple intervention.
[00:16:49] Vincent Egoro: Mm-hmm.
[00:16:50] Maryam Pasha: Increase the effectiveness of what they’re doing multiple fold.
[00:16:53] Vincent Egoro: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:16:53] Maryam Pasha: Thank you so much.
[00:16:54] Vincent Egoro: Thank you so much for having me. I’m really grateful for you and, uh, you know, for this opportunity platform and I can’t wait [00:17:00] for the podcast to be released. And I know that hopefully someone was gonna listen. Would say, Hey, how do we get in contact with Vincent and how do we support this?
[00:17:08] Vincent Egoro: That’s how, how do
[00:17:08] Maryam Pasha: we get in contact with you? Tell us, do you have like what?
[00:17:10] Vincent Egoro: Yeah, I’m available. Like I’m a, I’m available on LinkedIn as Vincent Egoro. I’m available [00:17:15] on all social media platform as Vincent, so just Google. Vincent, wonderful.
[00:17:21] Maryam Pasha: Recommend you do that.
[00:17:22] Vincent Egoro: Thank
[00:17:22] Maryam Pasha: you so much.
[00:17:23] Vincent Egoro: Thank you.
[00:17:24] Maryam Pasha: Thank you for joining us this week.
[00:17:25] Maryam Pasha: We really hope you’ve enjoyed this episode.
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[00:17:35] Maryam Pasha: Now let’s shout out to our fabulous team behind the pod
[00:17:38] Ben Hurst: Executive, produced by Josie Colter,
[00:17:41] Maryam Pasha: produced by Ben Beheshtiy
[00:17:43] Ben Hurst: Music, also by Ben Beheshty, [00:17:45]
[00:17:45] Maryam Pasha: communications by Tara Cooper and Issey Gladston.
[00:17:48] Ben Hurst: Curation by Deesha Chandra,
[00:17:50] Maryam Pasha: hosted by Ben Hurst.
[00:17:51] Ben Hurst: I’m Maryam Pasha,
[00:17:53] Maryam Pasha: and remember,
[00:17:54] Ben Hurst: stay [00:18:00] curious.
